The big death in the upcoming Halloween episode (Season 3, Episode 13: “This Is a Dark Ride”) of Pretty Little Liars is just around the corner (airing October 23!) but we can already cross one death suspect off the list: Toby. Wetpaint Entertainment caught up with PLL showrunner Marlene King and Joseph Dougherty and they talked to us about Toby’s big role in the second half of Season 3 and all the “answers” we’ll get in the Halloween episode.

Wetpaint Entertainment: So, the Halloween episode. We know it's on a train. We know someone dies. What can we say about the death itself?

Joseph: You have to be careful when you start telling secrets. You'd better get them out fast, or you may not have an opportunity to finish.

Marlene: It comes back to our theme song. Only two can keep a secret, if one of them is dead. That's why somebody dies.

What's the most fun thing about this stand-alone episode in the middle of the season?

Joseph: The most fun about this one was working with Tim Hunter who directed it and realizing we could just make this movie that would be larger than a simple, complicated episode of the show, and it is. It's arguably the most lavish episode we've ever done. It certainly has some of the most complicated sets we've ever built.

Marlene: It's a movie. It's not a typical episode of Pretty Little Liars in any way, shape or form. It's visually stunning. It’s a thrill ride. It's so suspenseful, and we feel like we made a movie.

From a serialization standpoint, does it answer questions?

Joseph: Oh, yeah.

Marlene: It asks and answers which is what we try to do all the time on our show. But I think you get a lot more answers than people are going to expect.

What are the larger arcs this winter?

Marlene: Well, Mona is out of Radley, and she tells us that she's better now. But I don't believe that, and we did reveal last time that Toby was on the “A” team, and that's going to play out. It’s certainly going to rock Spencer's world when she finds out. I would say the big pay‑off that we teased in the beginning of the season is that red is the new black. And you're going to find out in the Spring why red in the new black.

And someone hinted that Ali may not have been so in control as we thought she was, that she's a pawn in this whole thing. What do you think about that theory?

Joseph: Well, what's the name of [executive producer] Oliver Goldstick's last episode? “I'm your Puppet?” There's a lot of puppetry going on, people behind the scenes and behind‑behind the scenes

Marlene: And I think we start to question who's the puppet and who's the puppet master for a while on the show.

Will we see Spencer find out in Spring about Toby?

Marlene: Yes, you will. I think we can safely say that, yes.

I guess that makes me a little sad for Keegan? Does it automatically mean the end of him?

Marlene: No.

Joseph: We don't do anything automatic. It's manual, all the way.

Marlene: We love the character of Toby, and the character of Toby is going to stay very much a part of our world.

But you're not retracting anything. He is on the “A” team, and this is not some sort of double agent?

Marlene: He is on team “A.”

Will we discover more people on team “A?”

Marlene: You'll have to wait and see.
Don’t miss the next new episode of PLL, the Halloween special, on Tuesday, October 23 at 8 p.m. ET/PT on ABC Family.

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