If Ryan Park does end up the next Bachelor, Lucas Daniels suggests his bachelorettes stock up on Red Bull. “I mean those women better be very, very energetic,” Lucas said in his exit interview on Thursday.
Lucas, 30, an oilfield equipment distributor from Odessa, Texas, was eliminated in Taiwan on The Bachelorette Season 7, Episode 7. He explained that, yes, Mr. Sunshine was that annoying just for being too enthusiastic and happy. He thinks Ben Flajnik would be a better choice for the Season 16 Bachelor, but he also thinks Ashley Hebert should pick Ben F. in the end. He’s just a total Beneffer.
Lucas said he and Ashley were basically opposites but he was still shocked to go home before Ames Brown. The Texan also weighed in on JP Rosenbaum’s jealousy and the surprise of Bentley Williams’ comments about their special lady friend. “And the way he was talking about her, I mean, you just don’t talk about a woman like that,” Lucas said of Bentley. “It was very childish and I have no sympathy for people who treat other people like that.”
Read on for more from Lucas’ conference call:
When Ashley told everyone that she had seen Bentley again in Hong Kong, did you emotionally check out with her?
Lucas: I thought we finally made a connection on our date, and had a really good date, and I thought everything was kind of behind her. And, yeah, when she tells all of us that she fell for him, it was just kind of a gut shot, really. I didn’t emotionally check out, no, but it put a damper on the way I was feeling about her at the time. I was kind of on Cloud 9 and we had a good date and then she threw that at us. I don’t know. I’ve never had somebody do that before, especially after a date. I was still checked in but I was pretty bummed out.
Did your elimination on this latest rose ceremony come as a surprise to you?
I felt very confident going into that, I was already prepared to take her home. I was prepared to say “Hey, Mom and Dad, here’s Ashley.” So I was shocked. I wasn’t quite sure what she didn’t see in me versus, I guess, Ames. But she made great decisions pretty much throughout so — we kind of moved at a slower pace. I was bummed and I was kind of shocked in the end.
Do you wish you had left when Bentley came back in Hong Kong or are you glad you stayed until Taiwan?
At the time when she told us about Bentley, I guess my mind — I guess as a typical man you really don’t want to be second or third, you know, in the sense of trying to get to know a woman. At the time I was like “What am I doing here?” But I am very excited I stayed to go to Taiwan and I’m glad I did it. It didn’t work out for me, but I gave it that one more extra shot so there’s no regrets.
Of the remaining guys, who do you think is right for Ashley, if anyone?
It’s been so back and forth with everybody, including Bentley and all that stuff going on but, you know, I think probably the two most compatible of the remaining is Ben F. and JP, probably.
Of the two, do you have a pick?
If I had to pick — I think she has the most, it’s not so serious with Ben F. I think they have the most fun together. I mean, look at the guy. He is a good friend of mine on the show. I mean, wine maker, just living life to the fullest. I think it would be Ben F., if she had to pick anybody.
When you watch it back, what surprises you most? Anything that took you by surprise that you didn’t expect?
Probably the most — and it’s kind of the same thing everybody’s been talking about — but it is Bentley. I didn’t really see that in him, of treating somebody like that. I guess it’s the way I was raised, you just don’t treat somebody like that. So it really, really shocked me. I mean, ‘cause he and I were pretty cordial toward each other. I was nice to him, he was nice to me. But then seeing interviews that he was giving, kind of throwing us under the bus, how we have no chance type deal. That really surprised me. And the way he was talking about her, I mean you just don’t talk about a woman like that. It was very childish and I have no sympathy for people who treat other people like that. So that was very surprising to me, probably the most.
You were eliminated just shy of hometown dates. If she had kept you, who would she have met, where would you have gone and what side of you would she have seen?
Well, I live in a smaller West Texas town. It’s not your New York or your Sonoma Valley and everything like that, but there’s good people here. I probably would’ve just — we do a lot of cookouts … there’s a lot of — they’re called sand dunes. You know, we get into the big go-kart type thing and run over these sand dunes. When I was growing up you really had to try and make something work and have a good time, so it’s not the most beautiful town in the world but there’s good people and we’d probably just hang out with family. I would’ve loved for her to meet my parents, my brother, my nieces. They would take her in. Anybody I’ve ever brought home they accept her because if their son likes her and wants to move forward, then they will too.
You said you were surprised she sent you home. What do you think went wrong for you with Ashley?
We had a conversation just kind of towards more of — I don’t know, some of our beliefs or family, you know stuff like that. I think we were just really opposites, really. I mean, I’m very, very traditional. I’m conservative and she’s just kind of the other side. And that’s fine, opposites attract, I guess. We just had some differences in kind of what I believed in, but I was surprised she didn’t keep me around, honestly. I didn’t see it coming, but I was humbled by it and if that was her decision, then I respected that.
In Ashley’s blog on People.com she said you guys had different ideas on family and relationships and there didn’t seem to be any room for change. Can you touch on that, since the show didn’t really dig into that side of your discussions?
She hit on quite a bit about my divorce. That might’ve — I guess that’s something that she was worried about. Like I told her on the show, it’s been three years. It’s not a problem. That might’ve scared her, saying “Okay, he’s already been married once. What makes him think this will work a second time?” Her differences, she and I, I guess the whole time we were trying to pinpoint those. We knew we weren’t, I guess, compatible to the sense of we believe in the exact same things and we have the same goals and we want to do the same type things. I don’t know, that’s a tough question. I think we were trying to pinpoint it through the entire show. I think that’s what she and I both were trying to do.
Had Ashley said or done anything to give you the impression she was going to keep you around and take you to the final four?
I guess just coming off that Hong Kong date. We had a good time on the junk boat and we got to really dive in deep and we dove in deep again in Taiwan. Our conversation at the cocktail party — I had some fun when we were dressing up for wedding photos. I guess a couple looks and a couple things I was seeing that she was looking at me. I felt like she felt good about me, felt comfortable with me. So that’s kind of what surprised me. I didn’t see a solid connection on that date with Ashley and Ames and that’s why I felt pretty confident going into the rose ceremony.
What was your favorite moment on the show?
I’d probably have a couple. One of my favorites, honestly, even though I gt beat in the ring, was doing all that Thai boxing. That was an experience itself. I’ve never trained like that. That’s just, it was unbelievable. And we got to fight in [the] town square, pretty much is what it was. And honestly my date with Ashley in Hong Kong. I would never in my life probably see a skyline like that, ever, and we were right in the middle of Hong Kong. So that was wonderful.
Do you feel like you learned anything about yourself in this experience?
Well one thing I learned is how to really open up and talk about my feelings, ‘cause I’ve never talked about my feelings like that, that much, in a long, long time. I guess that might be your typical man or whatever, but it just got me to open up. I’ve always said what’s on my mind, since I was small, but this really gets you in touch with your feelings and helps you open up. And I think she deserved that. Some of the guys probably didn’t do as much as I did, but I felt like “What do I have to lose?” So I let her know how I feel.
Can you explain why you and some of the other guys were so annoyed with Ryan? Was it really just because he’s too enthusiastic and happy?
You know, pretty much. And it sounds bad. He wasn’t a bad guy. He wasn’t a mean guy. He was just — when you’re with somebody that long and somebody that’s that energetic and kind of ... ugh, I don’t know how to really explain him. It was just too much. It was just wearing and we were exhausted ‘cause he was just through the roof the entire show.
Some fans think Ryan is being primed to be the next Bachelor. Do you think that would be a be a good idea? If not, do you think there’s anyone else, yourself or anyone else who’s there, who would be a better choice?
Ryan I guess would be a decent Bachelor. I mean those women better be very, very energetic and ready for, I don’t know, hopefully have a lot of Red Bull. But anyway, I think a perfect candidate in my mind — just because he as a very good friend of mine, he’s a genuine gentleman — is Ben F., if he had the opportunity. I think he’s wonderful. He’s just a great guy. We got really close. He and Constantine, we’re all good buds on the show. I think he’d be a great candidate.
On the show it appeared that JP was getting very jealous and very attached to Ashley. What was your interpretation and how did you feel when you heard she had an overnight date with Ben?
JP, you know, when I was there, he was definitely, definitely falling for her. I wasn’t to that point yet. We were just really getting to know each other. It came out. He became very, very cranky and all that stuff, especially with Ben on his overnight date. It didn’t bother me that Ben was on an overnight date. I mean, we’re all going to have an opportunity with Ashley and when [Ben] walked in and we were calling him “The 24 Hour Man.” I mean it really — I mean everybody saw that JP stormed out. Instead of kind of sitting there and, you know, talking about it and taking it like a man, he had to storm out. So it really didn’t bother me at all that Ben came in the next day. Not at all.
Who do you think Ashley will connect with out of the final four guys’ families?
Probably two of them. I think Ashley’s all about having a really good time and having fun. Just knowing Constantine, he’s so much fun, I know his family’s going to be so much fun. I think they’ll connect just ‘cause they’re probably going to do some Greek type things and whatever else. I think she’s going to have a wonderful time. And I think she’s going to have a wonderful time with Ben’s family. It’s just his sister and his mother, but you know they’re in Sonoma and he’s probably going to show her how to drink wine or how to make wine. I think those two guys she’s going to have a good time with.
Going back to what you said about the differences you and Ashley had. Knowing that, do you think you would’ve really survived as a couple if you had wound up together?
I think it would’ve been an uphill battle, honestly, if she and I went to the hometowns and it got down to the final two then say I won. I think it would’ve been an uphill battle. I really believe everything happens for a reason so I think it was probably a good thing I was sent home. I would’ve still given it a shot if she wanted to come to my hometown I’d have been open arms and “Let’s try this thing.” Yeah, it probably would’ve been pretty tough. We were pretty different.
What have you learned about what you are looking for in a woman as you try to find your soul mate? What qualities are you looking for?
Like I said on the show, in my exit, I’m just a really simple guy. I just, I want a down-to-earth girl. I want somebody that enjoys traveling, but understands a good work ethic. And I want that woman knowing that I can provide for them. Just somebody that wants to wake up next to me and wants to do some simple, fun things and just somebody who loves me for me.
You were one of the most outspoken bachelors and you got really upset when Bentley came back from Hong Kong. You touched on this a little bit, but why did you get so upset and how much of your frustration did you get to share with Ashley?
I actually did not get to speak to her that night when I did get upset. I think we all were kind of thinking, okay, Bentley was there for a couple weeks. He left on his own and you know we thought he was going there for his daughter, going home. We all gave him a hug and said “You’re a good dad and you’re going home to your daughter.” Well that wasn’t the case, now after watching it. But obviously I didn’t know that then. I just didn’t know what she was really seeing in this guy. Like I said on the episode, we’ve been to three different countries and you’re telling us this stuff now? I kind of wish you had let me know on our date. But that was our first date. She probably didn’t want to tell me that, she probably hopefully wanted to get to know me and not let that put a damper on our date. I was just kind of fed up with that. I already knew she liked him ‘cause I said that on a previous little 1-on-1 we had. I said “Your type is Bentley.” But when she told us that and we’d already been around the world, it just made me feel like we were all second best and that now she’s ready to get to know us now, after we’ve been to, like, three different countries.
Based on the conversation Mickey had with Ashley before his departure when he decided to quit, do you think he intended to quit or did he just talk up a big game and Ashley called him out on it and then that left him feeling like he had no choice?
I’m not sure if Mickey knew that he was going to have that conversation with her or not. I know he was kind of fed up with things, kind of with Ryan and Bentley and stuff like that. But I think he’s a pretty strong-minded guy, so he probably wanted to give her an ultimatum there and say “Listen, me or him.” And I guess he kind of had to own up to it. … I’m not sure if he knew how that conversation was going to go or not, but I think he handled it well.
If Bentley does show up to the Men Tell All — it’s not clear if he will or not — what would you want to say to him?
I imagine he’s had a lot of comments toward him and stuff. If I get presented an opportunity to say something to him, I’m not going to bark at him. He’s already kind of dug his own grave on his behavior, but I’m just gonna let him know you’re not going to get far in life treating people like that, especially a woman. Ashley, that is a — I can’t even imagine being The Bachelor or The Bachelorette, because that is a very, very stressful position to be in, from my mind. And then when somebody else is talking like this to another woman, I would just let him know that you just don’t treat people like that. It’s the wrong thing to do and it’ll come back and bite you, for sure.
Rumors have been circulating that Ryan will be coming back on the show. Did you get that sense that he left with unfinished business? Also, you were eliminated around the same time as him, was coming back something you would’ve considered?
He got a lot of roses, like in dates and stuff like that, but I didn’t see where the connection was with Ryan and Ashley. Maybe she just thought he’s just a really energetic, nice guy — which he is —and kept him around for a while. I don’t know if he’s coming back or not. Me personally, I had one shot at this and she and I both kind of didn’t see eye to eye. So me personally I wouldn’t have come back. You just have one shot and it happens for a reason and that’s it.
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